Interesting news Chris, but I don’t think Gen Teerachai Nakwanich
Is from the “Queen’s tigers” ( prayut’s ) faction. He could be from the “divine progeny” King’s guard faction.
However, if memory serves, I think he is from special forces which are Gen Prem’s old stomping grounds.
It would seem that Rama X is carefully balancing the military factions that will seek to monopolize access to him.
You should check your information about protest against Governor of Jakarta again. NO ONE is calling for the Governor’s resignation. What people want is for the governor not to get special treatment for the charge against him by delaying the investigation just because he is running for the 2nd term.
Don’t make story about something that is not happening!
One thing we can say with almost absolute certainty is that we can’t say anything with almost absolute certainty in Siam these days. Taksin, for instance, is being ever so silent, ever so patient.
Regardless of whether you sympathise or not with the Rohingya situation, the ugly truth is that if Myanmar continues to be ‘heavy handed’ over their treatment of the Rohingya, this localised dispute has the potential to turn extremely ugly right across Myanmar if Jihadists and ISIL sympathisers decide to get involved.
If you have zero sympathy with the Rohingya and oppose the facts that supporters are claiming, at least have the common sense to recognise the ‘lesser’ of 2 evils and find a practical solution to the Rohingya problem.
The saying ‘cut off your nose to spite your face’ comes to mind.
1. Just because there was not anarchy does not mean Jokowi achieved a tactical victory
2. The event was clearly about Ahok. That is why people turned up in the first place. Just because Jokowi tried to make it about prayers doesn’t change that.
3. Perhaps, but I see this as a minor point.
Final point – are you suggesting the author has little or no “knowledge of Javanese people”?
Got it now. The context was Burmese are killing and raping all foreigners. So you, a White and your wife a Thai are likely to be killed and raped in Burma now.
However the blog article does not stand up to much scrutiny .
Muslims from Northern Rakhine State killed around 50,000 Arakanese, including the Deputy Commissioner U Oo Kyaw Khaing, who was killed while trying to settle the dispute. [3] However the number of Arakanese killed is being questioned, and the number of Muslims killed is claimed to be around 40,000 too. [4] The total casualty of both parties in that conflict is not certain and no concrete official reference can be found.
Authorities block BBC Thai’s article about King Rama X
Submitted by editor2 on Tue, 06/12/2016 – 15:48
After the arrest of an anti-junta activists accused of lèse majesté for sharing the BBC Thai’s biography of King Rama X, Thai authorities have blocked the article.
On 6 December 2016, leading internet service providers in Thailand, such as TRUE, AIS, and 3BB blocked the access to the biography of King King Vajiralongkorn, Rama X, published by the BBC Thai on 2 December.
The article is replaced by a logo of the Ministry of Digital Economy and Society (MDES) with a message reads “this website contains inappropriate information and is blocked by MDES.”
Since it was published the BBC Thai’s biography of King Rama X has already been shared by more than 2,500 people. 27,887 Facebook users clicked ‘like’ on the article.
Many ultra-royalists, however, criticised the BBC Thai for publishing the article, saying that its content is defaming to the new King of the country.
On 3 December, police officers arrested Jatuphat Boonpattaraksa, a key member of the New Democracy Movement (NDM) anti-junta activist group, for sharing the article on his Facebook account.
After one day of detention, Khon Kaen Provincial Court, however, granted him 400,000 baht bail the next day.
I totally agree with Neptunian . This is how the English did during the colonial rule , the Chinese and the Americans picked up and modified it . China is a well known aggressor . Even in their own country they commit a lot of unconventional things . Today with their strong economy wants to show the world their strong arm . All the weak leaders become their victims .
First (important) thing’s first, that’s what President Jokowi decided and done at that time. IMHO, it’s right to mitigate potential risks if such rally can’t be assured stop at the time agreed by GNPFMUI and the Government, and by the closing statement of President Jokowi which surely closed such event (at the time agreed), Rizieq didn’t had the chance to talk further and made the situation become unpredictable. It’s a victory for President Jokowi (for the Government) which brilliantly done by him. About what Rizieq gained at the podium, I don’t think it’s automatically gave him further acknowledgment as a number one person in majority of Indonesian Islamic community, for acknowledgment and charisma of Leaders and Ulamas of biggest Indonesian Islamic Organizations, Nahdlatul Ulama and Muhammadiyah, can’t be putted aside just like that…
I find this really concerning to the extent I don’t think I could have an open conversation with my Indonesian friends who support the detainment of Ahok. There seems ever smaller amounts of reason in their reasoning with every day….
Rama X’s new Privy Council has just been announced. Three ” new” appointments are ALL from Prayut’s coup faction. Their appointments counter-signed by Prem. “You don’t need a weathervane, to know which way the wind blows” – Bob Dylan.
This slow-burning Genocide was started by the Rohingyas formerly known as “the Chitagonian Bengali-Muslims” in 1942. Please read former-New-Mandala-contributor Hla Oo’s “1942 Genocide of Buddhist Yakhines in Maungdaw District” at this link.
Ahok only has himself to blame. It was very poor judgement to talk of such incendiary issues in a country where these things are highly taboo. Now he finds himself in a corner and even if he wins the election he may be: 1) jailed or 2) expected to stand down in the interests of national unity if inevitably rowdy demos take a nasty turn for the worse.
The Arab Spring was a monumentally stupid journalistic concept. What was happening was the collapse of Arab civilisation. The cause was, and still is, Western funding for extremist ratbags. Western governments effectively run by oil companies funded the worst possible people because that was how oil companies thought they could maximise profits in the shortest possible time.
I think Jokowi scored complete victory tactically and strategically in 212 event. Here’s why:
1. He detained a number of people for treason right before the event. This prevents the event to devolve into anarchy. This sends clear message to any future protest: follow the rules or go to prison. With one of the people detained being retired general, the other message is: the military and police are under my complete control. Disobey, than suffer the consequence.
2. He comes to the event but didn’t legitimized the event itself. This is why: He only said “thank you for your prayer for this nation, thank you for keeping things civil, now please disperse and may you return home safely”. This send a clear message: Jokowi basically stated that the event is not to jailed Ahok, this is a prayer for the nation. This signal is reverberated throughout ALL mainstream media. Essentially, he changed the narrative of the event from demanding incarceration of Ahok to a prayer for the nation. AND: Rizieq Shihab went along with it. Rizieq disperse the crowed immediately and escorted them up to HI.
3. He sends a message through his minister of house affairs (mendagri): regulation regarding mass organization will be revised to made it easier to disband them. He has lobbied all political power with the exception of PKS and Demokrat to agree to it. The message is clear: step out of line, than your organization would be deemed illegal, disbanded, and you can go to jail.
All this signal is very clear and unmistakeable if you have some knowledge of the Javanese people and their tendency to said things implicitly and not explicitly. All this signal is only implicitly stated, but the meaning is clear for most Indonesian.
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Interesting news Chris, but I don’t think Gen Teerachai Nakwanich
Is from the “Queen’s tigers” ( prayut’s ) faction. He could be from the “divine progeny” King’s guard faction.
However, if memory serves, I think he is from special forces which are Gen Prem’s old stomping grounds.
It would seem that Rama X is carefully balancing the military factions that will seek to monopolize access to him.
Lessons of the Arab Spring for Muslim Southeast Asia
You should check your information about protest against Governor of Jakarta again. NO ONE is calling for the Governor’s resignation. What people want is for the governor not to get special treatment for the charge against him by delaying the investigation just because he is running for the 2nd term.
Don’t make story about something that is not happening!
Thailand’s long succession
One thing we can say with almost absolute certainty is that we can’t say anything with almost absolute certainty in Siam these days. Taksin, for instance, is being ever so silent, ever so patient.
Confronting genocide in Myanmar
Regardless of whether you sympathise or not with the Rohingya situation, the ugly truth is that if Myanmar continues to be ‘heavy handed’ over their treatment of the Rohingya, this localised dispute has the potential to turn extremely ugly right across Myanmar if Jihadists and ISIL sympathisers decide to get involved.
If you have zero sympathy with the Rohingya and oppose the facts that supporters are claiming, at least have the common sense to recognise the ‘lesser’ of 2 evils and find a practical solution to the Rohingya problem.
The saying ‘cut off your nose to spite your face’ comes to mind.
Get over it.
Has Jokowi handed a strategic victory to radicals?
1. Just because there was not anarchy does not mean Jokowi achieved a tactical victory
2. The event was clearly about Ahok. That is why people turned up in the first place. Just because Jokowi tried to make it about prayers doesn’t change that.
3. Perhaps, but I see this as a minor point.
Final point – are you suggesting the author has little or no “knowledge of Javanese people”?
Why Rakhine people should embrace human rights
Got it now. The context was Burmese are killing and raping all foreigners. So you, a White and your wife a Thai are likely to be killed and raped in Burma now.
Thanks for the explanation.
Henry VIII of Thailand
Junta to prosecute BBC Thai over King Rama X biography
http://prachatai.org/english/node/6760
Confronting genocide in Myanmar
Thank-you for the lead .
However the blog article does not stand up to much scrutiny .
Muslims from Northern Rakhine State killed around 50,000 Arakanese, including the Deputy Commissioner U Oo Kyaw Khaing, who was killed while trying to settle the dispute. [3] However the number of Arakanese killed is being questioned, and the number of Muslims killed is claimed to be around 40,000 too. [4] The total casualty of both parties in that conflict is not certain and no concrete official reference can be found.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arakan_massacres_in_1942
and please before winkipedia is dismissed note that there are 2 outside references supplied.
http://prachatai.org/english/node/6760
Henry VIII of Thailand
Authorities block BBC Thai’s article about King Rama X
Submitted by editor2 on Tue, 06/12/2016 – 15:48
After the arrest of an anti-junta activists accused of lèse majesté for sharing the BBC Thai’s biography of King Rama X, Thai authorities have blocked the article.
On 6 December 2016, leading internet service providers in Thailand, such as TRUE, AIS, and 3BB blocked the access to the biography of King King Vajiralongkorn, Rama X, published by the BBC Thai on 2 December.
The article is replaced by a logo of the Ministry of Digital Economy and Society (MDES) with a message reads “this website contains inappropriate information and is blocked by MDES.”
Since it was published the BBC Thai’s biography of King Rama X has already been shared by more than 2,500 people. 27,887 Facebook users clicked ‘like’ on the article.
Many ultra-royalists, however, criticised the BBC Thai for publishing the article, saying that its content is defaming to the new King of the country.
On 3 December, police officers arrested Jatuphat Boonpattaraksa, a key member of the New Democracy Movement (NDM) anti-junta activist group, for sharing the article on his Facebook account.
After one day of detention, Khon Kaen Provincial Court, however, granted him 400,000 baht bail the next day.
https://c2.staticflickr.com/6/5703/31083358950_ee2b84d0bd.jpg
http://prachatai.org/english/node/6759
Najib’s fear campaign
I totally agree with Neptunian . This is how the English did during the colonial rule , the Chinese and the Americans picked up and modified it . China is a well known aggressor . Even in their own country they commit a lot of unconventional things . Today with their strong economy wants to show the world their strong arm . All the weak leaders become their victims .
Has Jokowi handed a strategic victory to radicals?
First (important) thing’s first, that’s what President Jokowi decided and done at that time. IMHO, it’s right to mitigate potential risks if such rally can’t be assured stop at the time agreed by GNPFMUI and the Government, and by the closing statement of President Jokowi which surely closed such event (at the time agreed), Rizieq didn’t had the chance to talk further and made the situation become unpredictable. It’s a victory for President Jokowi (for the Government) which brilliantly done by him. About what Rizieq gained at the podium, I don’t think it’s automatically gave him further acknowledgment as a number one person in majority of Indonesian Islamic community, for acknowledgment and charisma of Leaders and Ulamas of biggest Indonesian Islamic Organizations, Nahdlatul Ulama and Muhammadiyah, can’t be putted aside just like that…
Thailand’s long succession
Chris Beale, I believe that’s “…you don’t need a weatherman…” as that song eventually inspired the WUO radical leftist group’s name.
But yes, neither vane nor man is needed to sense the breeze here.
Has Jokowi handed a strategic victory to radicals?
Spot on Krisna Murti.
Has Jokowi handed a strategic victory to radicals?
I find this really concerning to the extent I don’t think I could have an open conversation with my Indonesian friends who support the detainment of Ahok. There seems ever smaller amounts of reason in their reasoning with every day….
Thailand’s long succession
Rama X’s new Privy Council has just been announced. Three ” new” appointments are ALL from Prayut’s coup faction. Their appointments counter-signed by Prem. “You don’t need a weathervane, to know which way the wind blows” – Bob Dylan.
Confronting genocide in Myanmar
This slow-burning Genocide was started by the Rohingyas formerly known as “the Chitagonian Bengali-Muslims” in 1942. Please read former-New-Mandala-contributor Hla Oo’s “1942 Genocide of Buddhist Yakhines in Maungdaw District” at this link.
http://hlaoo1980.blogspot.com.au/2016/12/1942-genocide-of-buddhists-in-maungdaw.html
What next for the theatrics of Thailand?
Will you kindly take your nitpicking argumentative fighting elsewhere, so the rest of us don’t have to read it?
Has Jokowi handed a strategic victory to radicals?
Ahok only has himself to blame. It was very poor judgement to talk of such incendiary issues in a country where these things are highly taboo. Now he finds himself in a corner and even if he wins the election he may be: 1) jailed or 2) expected to stand down in the interests of national unity if inevitably rowdy demos take a nasty turn for the worse.
Lessons of the Arab Spring for Muslim Southeast Asia
This is a very good contribution.
The Arab Spring was a monumentally stupid journalistic concept. What was happening was the collapse of Arab civilisation. The cause was, and still is, Western funding for extremist ratbags. Western governments effectively run by oil companies funded the worst possible people because that was how oil companies thought they could maximise profits in the shortest possible time.
Has Jokowi handed a strategic victory to radicals?
I think Jokowi scored complete victory tactically and strategically in 212 event. Here’s why:
1. He detained a number of people for treason right before the event. This prevents the event to devolve into anarchy. This sends clear message to any future protest: follow the rules or go to prison. With one of the people detained being retired general, the other message is: the military and police are under my complete control. Disobey, than suffer the consequence.
2. He comes to the event but didn’t legitimized the event itself. This is why: He only said “thank you for your prayer for this nation, thank you for keeping things civil, now please disperse and may you return home safely”. This send a clear message: Jokowi basically stated that the event is not to jailed Ahok, this is a prayer for the nation. This signal is reverberated throughout ALL mainstream media. Essentially, he changed the narrative of the event from demanding incarceration of Ahok to a prayer for the nation. AND: Rizieq Shihab went along with it. Rizieq disperse the crowed immediately and escorted them up to HI.
3. He sends a message through his minister of house affairs (mendagri): regulation regarding mass organization will be revised to made it easier to disband them. He has lobbied all political power with the exception of PKS and Demokrat to agree to it. The message is clear: step out of line, than your organization would be deemed illegal, disbanded, and you can go to jail.
All this signal is very clear and unmistakeable if you have some knowledge of the Javanese people and their tendency to said things implicitly and not explicitly. All this signal is only implicitly stated, but the meaning is clear for most Indonesian.